Russta ([info]russta) wrote,
@ 2008-03-22 21:40:00
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A little over two months ago, as a few of you may know or have guessed, I decided to quit WoW. Primarily, my reason for doing it was because after five years I was sick of the life I was living. Going to bed at around 10am and waking up at 6pm was just too much for me to take after so long. Similar to what Bert did with me, my hope was to be able to pass the guild onto somebody else and have them carry on without me but it wasn't to be. Any guild losing their main tank is a huge blow but while leader I took everything on board myself. There was no real hierarchy in place, no subordinates I burdened with anything so when I walked away there was just a small amount of power diluted among those left.

Still, even if I would've handled things differently I'm not sure the outcome would've been any different.

By the time I quit, we'd been farming Black Temple and Hyjal for absolutely months. Pretty much everyone had pretty much everything and people were tired of what the game had become to them. Those that didn't outright say as much showed it in their raid performance or attendance. I think a lot of people had gotten to a point where they just felt obligated to log on and raid despite not enjoying it and were happy when I quit as it was a way to quit themselves without guilt or drama. Off the top of my head, in the two months that have passed, eleven people (not including myself) have completely quit WoW, several have sold their character. I've never been someone who treated people I met online as just another screen name and I cared about every single person I ever raided with so knowing that I essentially destroyed everyone's home, no matter how stale or frail things were, is a burden I'll carry. I still hope that people can empathize with my reasons for quitting as I haven't had any snide comments or animosity passed my way in the interim.

So onto the next part of the story - Final Fantasy XI.



I don't know why but since being gone from WoW, the urge to play FFXI just built and built inside of me. Last week I finally asked Bluetonberry what his thoughts on going back were. Surprisingly, he was quite enthusiastic. I checked to see if my account was still there and it actually was. I was half-expecting it to be banned for third party tools or something similarly retarded. The reason I say that is I logged on POL at some point around Christmas '06 and saw I'd gotten a 72 hour suspension despite having not played for two months. Anyway, yeah, it was there, and so was BTB's so I fucked around in JP POL and reactivated my content ID's.

Upon logging in for the first time, a few things hit me.

- How much it fucking hurts my hand to play with the movement keys on the numerical keypad.
- There's no keyboard shortcut to bring up the map.
- I can't look at a map for somewhere outside of where I am.
- It's not possible to invite someone unless they're in your region (I actually facepalmed at this one).
- It took me over twenty minutes to get from Mhaura to Whitegate.

Obviously I knew about all this stuff before I decided to play again but it wasn't until actually experiencing them again after two years of WoW that I was amazed at how primitive FFXI is. I just felt so constricted and limited in what I could do...

Anyway, I dealt with it and decided to carry on. BTB had 21 million on him (a phenomenal amount in todays market) and gave me 3 mil to help gear myself up. I did that to a decent standard and got to thinking on what we could do. Naturally, Goblin Wolfman for a Parade Gorget was the first thing on the agenda for how involved I thought I was in trying to unravel the enigma back in the day. Three attempts to get mine at a total of about an hour then another four wasted trying to get one for BTB. It really was as if the game was giving me a "welcome back" in making us use three hours of our time to get me one trivial piece of gear and him one wave of disappointment.

In thinking what else we could do, we decided to try and catch up on the ToAU missions that had come in the time we were gone. That amounted to a ton of running around Whitegate, Caedarva and Aydeewa for some lengthy cutscenes then a trip to Navukgo Execution Chamber where we duo'd the Khimaira 13 BC. I'll give FFXI one thing, it does do missions and storytelling extremely well and I quite enjoyed myself here.

The only other thing I could think for us to do was to grab Awoir and attempt Assault. For whatever reasons, we didn't get that done but in the waiting for someone I decided to go through the lists of rewards for the five sets of Assault's we're done in the past and saw they'd added nothing extra in nearly two years. Nyzul Isle seemed pretty interesting and had some surprisingly good rewards but then I found out you need a full, well-balanced party of six to stand any chance of succeeding at it. As someone who wants to play casually and fit the game around other aspects of their life for once, it doesn't seem like something I'd be able to adhere to on a regular basis.

Even if my time did somehow allow it, the one thing I ruled out before I'd loaded up the game for the first time was rejoining a HNM LS. At some point during my WoW career, it dawned on me what an elitist douchebag I had been through the majority of my FFXI time. The way I treated Chikami in particular disgusted me and I couldn't even bring myself to open a window and make an apology to him. The nature of FFXI as a game when mixed with my unrelenting desire to excel didn't mix well. In WoW, time and effort are guaranteed to pay off and I think that standard of reward helped level me out in all sorts of ways.

While watching iMPACT on Friday, I did some reflecting and wondered why I was playing FFXI again. I initially went back because all the offline games I was enjoying ultimately lead to an end whereas an MMO doesn't. Ironically, I couldn't see what my main aim was in FFXI. Why merit when I have no desire to put them to any real use in endgame? I was sick of Dynamis two years ago, Assault is a way to kill time with no true goal and making money still sucks even if the ratios are better.

I simply don't feel like FFXI can reward the level of time I'm willing to give an MMO at this stage in my life.



I haven't completely closed the door on FFXI but I'm not far off. I feel really, really guilty that BTB came back with me and bought the expansion pack only for me to realize it was a mistake a few days later. We'd even discussed transferring to Bahamut to play with Kytele but alas...

I've ordered the EU version of WoW. I really want to still be able play an MMO but I need to be able to manage my time in doing so. WoW is an excellent game and I love pretty much everything about it. In WoW I can log on, play for two hours and log off having achieved something, no matter how minor. It pretty much is everything I need from an MMO at this stage in my life and it'll be in my timezone. I don't think I'll be able to convince Ky or BTB to play EU WoW with me so I'll be on my own for the first time in a while. I don't actually know anyone who plays WoW on EU servers but I think being independent might just be okay. I love tanking and I became pretty obsessed with what a a Protection Paladin was capable of toward the end of my time on Mal'Ganis so I think that's what I'll end up rolling as. Server or faction I don't know, I'll decide that at another time, but I'll aim for a primarily English speaking PvE one on GMT with medium-to-high population.


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[info]shukab00m
2008-03-22 09:57 pm UTC (link)
Lemme know if you ever end up on Talnivarr as a Horde char. :D

- Tantal/Shukaku

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[info]no
2008-03-22 10:07 pm UTC (link)
I died a little inside while reading this.

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(no subject) - [info]russta, 2008-03-22 10:12 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]russta, 2008-03-22 10:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]klisk, 2008-03-25 09:24 pm UTC

[info]ikitakunai
2008-03-22 10:14 pm UTC (link)
Congratulations on at least understanding what level of commitment you want to have to MMO at this point in your life. No matter what you choose, if you keep that in mind you'll be a lot more satisfied.

Jamie "quit" WoW a week ago, only to return a week later. He went on and on about how much he realized it was an addiction and how nice it felt to not be obligated to raid every night. But he's obviously not ready to give it up yet. He's raiding from when I get home from work until after I go to bed 4 nights a week -- so maybe you can understand my increasing depression about the MMO scene.

Like I've said before, you just have to keep evaluating if it's something you want to be doing and something that makes you happier.

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wow...
[info]hidetora
2008-03-22 10:33 pm UTC (link)
As I never thought to see a FFXI screenshot in your LJ again it took me for surprise. Your thoughts on WOW is the same as most ppl when you compare it to FFXI. You can play for one hour on WoW and honestly do something while in FFXI an hour is only the travel time from here to there.

That being said I have quit FFXI to WoW then back to FFXI then back to wow. I did a small stinton FFXI a few months back (56 drk) but it just wasn't the same.

If you do go back to WoW, being alone isn't all that bad as it will give you time to reflect and relearn to love it all over again. I just wish I had time to play WoW but I think my wife would kill me...


that being said, have a good time =D

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Re: wow... - [info]russta, 2008-03-22 10:46 pm UTC
Re: wow... - [info]hidetora, 2008-03-22 11:58 pm UTC
Re: wow... - [info]hidetora, 2008-03-23 12:07 am UTC
Re: wow... - [info]russta, 2008-03-23 12:19 am UTC
Re: wow... - (Anonymous), 2008-03-24 04:46 pm UTC

[info]sevataru
2008-03-22 10:58 pm UTC (link)
I can't get back into WoW or FFXI.

Time for Aion. =(

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(no subject) - [info]no, 2008-03-23 05:05 am UTC

[info]genomeffxi
2008-03-22 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Just a thought on FFXI, I think your disappointment might be because you are trying to do opposite things at the same time. You say you want to play casually and for fun, but then you also want to get the best items or work toward a big goal or make a lot of gil.
Those seem like different goals.

You can have casual fun with people you know or by yourself by doing things that don't necessarily have a great or specific payoff (like trying "let's see if we can duo this or that", or doing some new job quests and leveling or missions together). That's more along the line of casual spontaneous non-obsessive play you could in theory still find enjoyable.
I have done many things just to see if I could solo them and had fun trying.

Then there are more driven but more addicting/obsessive activities like "I will spend every hour I have trying to get gil for my relic or grinding xp to get this other job to 75 fastest, and not bother with anything else).
But I think you can see more how some of that might have lost its appeal to you, and you know how FFXI, the top things don't keep increasing, you already have more money than it could make sense to have or work toward, and you already have great enough gear that even the newest best pieces are just minimal improvements to them rather than win/lose factors.

I kind of think that getting to the top should be what finally allows you to not feel too obsessed with getting more items or pushing others and treat them like they are soldiers in an army, and instead allows you to actually enjoy what you have achieved doing more laid back things just for fun, and I think there is a lot to do there.

You might remember some very early moments from starting to play FFXI where not having a map or not always knowing what to expect was actually fun and adventurous. I don't want to get all "teleport-taru story" on you but hopefully you get what I mean.

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[info]jemusu
2008-03-22 11:32 pm UTC (link)
It's funny you went back to FFXI too, I also went back on a new account and lasted 10 levels.

I think WoW and FFXI are great games but like all things, they must end or get boring at some time. I occasionally miss WoW as I do with FFXI but what I miss is the memories of the good things. When I logged in on my new character on FFXI after a couple weeks of nothing I questioned myself "So, what happened?" and proceeded to log out and cancel my IDs. It seems so good until you're actually there and realise it's nothing compared to what it used to be.

Some friends of mine still play FFXI but they're all playing hardcore, I can't sit down and play like that anymore with class and work, it's just too much.

- Akiito

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[info]schierke
2008-03-23 12:23 am UTC (link)
What's weird is I've been having FFXI related dreams lately, did that happen to u? In mine I'm in the FFXI world and doing usual stuff like travelling or just hanging around in a town.

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[info]linaaa
2008-03-23 12:33 am UTC (link)
I thought someone else was playing on your account, I did notice you were on. :3

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[info]fearofbutterfly
2008-03-23 01:41 am UTC (link)
I lasted like a month when I went all gung-ho FFXI again D; I think I'm just too out of step to get obsessed with MMOs like I used to, I miss it :(

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[info]perfect_black
2008-03-23 01:56 am UTC (link)
You don't know me but i've been reading you for months, i really enjoyed your wow posts and they were one of the reasons why i decided to leave my unofficial shard to buy the game and start playing more seriously. You made me wish i was there with you and your guild, fighting epic battles! =D

I now play Horde on Nagrand EU Pve. I'm still a noob compared to you though. ^^
If you'll decide to come there i'll be more than happy to play with you and help you through the hardest parts of leveling back up to 70 =D

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[info]ladybus
2008-03-23 06:03 am UTC (link)
What is with all you people who quit WoW going back to FFXI. I could never go back to that game. :/

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[info]shibuyayakuza
2008-03-23 03:59 pm UTC (link)
welcome back!

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[info]celeras
2008-03-23 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Lesson learned: FFXI is never a good idea.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-23 04:48 pm UTC (link)
Wow never thought i'd see you post on FFXI again O.o You pretty much summed up what I think alot of us have done before Russta. Hope everything goes well on the EU server man. - Long time reader

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[info]enydo
2008-03-23 05:56 pm UTC (link)
Seems like what happened to me is what happened to you: quit WoW because you were tired of raiding or couldn't/didn't want to commit the time to it anymore, went back to FFXI, loved the missions but realized how much you dislike everything else, and eventually just went back to WoW (Kyle and I are leveling a warlock and mage very very casually - level 22!).

I don't understand how you could keep up the schedule you did, it just seems insane.

I'm really glad though there are 3 new MMOs coming out soon (Aion, Age of Conan, and Warhammer), I really need a new game to play!

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(no subject) - [info]aetius_, 2008-03-23 06:36 pm UTC
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(Anonymous)
2008-03-24 01:13 am UTC (link)
I have to agree with a lot of people here, coming back to FFXI is typically for memories and friends that you want see again. The outstanding music that you listen to going from place to place, crazy linkshell chats, or even pointless hours of constant leveling. No matter what it is, it is all stuck in your head and thinking about it more and more makes you want to come back. I did, three times. Bought the expansion and even the collection series just for it.

I can say, I started basically when you did, 6 years ago I think (2001 / 2?). FFXI was the best mmo I have ever played, mainly because of my friends that I had to play with. They made that experience, I only come back for them and will keep coming back, no matter the cost of time/money just to play with them again. It isn't about the gil, money, equipment, or whatever, just to goof around or level for days on end with me on my laptop plvling is fine for me. They made the game what it is, they made the great memories and I would come back in an instant just to make more.

I have always read your LJ. This post made me really WANT to come back, very much. But towards the end, you made me remember how -different- it actually is when you are playing again. Not only the feeling of being there, but the absence of the many things that you used to play with and miss.

--Zandria

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(no subject) - [info]_hitokiri_, 2008-03-28 10:44 pm UTC

[info]namfoodles
2008-03-24 03:34 am UTC (link)
I started playing again when the Shadow War stuff got released. I moved to Asura with Luminaire and found a great group to play with via Lordwafik's shell SuperMarioLand. Having 6-18 people to do things that used to take 4 times that is really a fun time. There's so much little things you can do to make money, make storyline advancements, that you can get a lot done in a few hours.

The problem is doing the research to see how fast you can make it. When I started again I found myself with an old friend's account that didn't have cop, sky, or anything done. When i started CoP I never thought i'd finish it. I finished it in about a week.

Honestly, going into the game knowing that you'll not have fun because it's not fast enough is only going to open up the idea of you being annoyed by the game because it isn't fast enough.

I didn't like WoW because I personally don't like Blizzard games or the Blizzard idea of how games work. But, to each their own! Go out and Play Conan or EVE.

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[info]awoir
2008-03-24 11:55 am UTC (link)
ɐƃƃıu sʞɔns dılɟ

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[info]gigogoomba
2008-03-24 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Amarok and I played FFXI for about a week before realizing it was a huge mistake. Both of us sold our old characters back in the day so we started back at lv.1. It was so annoying to me for the first day when I remembered I couldn't use some of the same commands we've gotten used to in WoW. Primitive indeed.


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(Anonymous)
2008-03-24 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I have tried the quit WoW and go back to FFXI thing twice now but the game just can’t carry my interest. So many empty areas of just wasted opportunity; Wastelands of zones with little to no content; Thousands upon thousands of players screaming in unison at a developer unwilling to deliver. And of course logging into your old LS to say hello and you see that they are still camping kings and still doing sky/dynamis doesn’t help smooth out the transition.

I find that I spend a lot of time in the game just traveling around doing the pointless quests that I didn’t bother with at the time. The story telling in FFXI is really what I miss more than anything. With instant quest text and QuestHelper addons WoW has become more about killing mob X @ coordinates Y,Z which is somewhat lacking compared to the cut scenes of FFXI.

I think that you are where a lot of us find ourselves at the moment. Bored with WoW and hesitant/unwilling to start anew in an existing game with so many interesting MMO’s on the horizon.

Best of luck to you should you stick with WoW or go back to FFXI.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-24 09:34 pm UTC (link)
I am on of those who has read your LJ since I first asked the question, "'Should have used Blade:Jin', who came up with that?" I am not surprised to see an XI photo pop on here, and only a little surprised to see your desire to play it again just as quickly fade. This is something I've encountered with five friends who have "come back" to XI.

I have quit two times myself, and I don't see myself ever fully quitting. As people started to return to XI, I found myself eager to help them and then very sad when they chose to leave again, not to mention frustrated by the amount of effort I put in to get them back "up to speed", but as the process repeated I learned by experience that I can't please everyone.

I've considered the differences in people and why they either choose to stay or leave again, and only come to a few real key points. I believe that actually quitting MMO's completely is likely the best choice, but there aren't a lot of people who actually do that.

As you said, the time and effort ratio of FFXI is retarded. Not to mention, new characters have at least three months of leveling and questing to do to even be considered for end game level. And even though the new options given to players can be done outside of an HNMLS, they take a group of at least 6 well geared and not-stupid players with lots of time to commit for items that drop at a very bad rate. Not to mention, once those rewards are obtained it's exceedingly difficult to gather enough gil to have some of those items made.

For a person coming back who gives the resolute, "This time, I don't want to take it too seriously," they will soon enough find themselves doing just that, which is not bad at all considering it is typically that attitude which allows people to excel in any area. Unfortunatley, in XI, as in any other MMO, being the best also means having the best which only relates back to the idiotic time/effort ratio...

In addition to this I find that many people are bored or feel stuck, which comes mostly from the inability to motivate yourself and others to try new things. Which, from what I can tell, is obviously not your problem.

So with all of these bad things associated with playing this game, why the hell do I stay here? The absolute most fun I have in this game are the personalities of the colorful friends I have made. Even after a horrible salvage run where I want to tear all of my hair out and feel even worse that the team didn't even get chances at the retarded drop rate NM's, I still find that it's worth it if I can joke around with those same people.

I'm one of those people who can't get away from the end game, even if I try, because I feel too dedicated to my team. Retarded? Probably. Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy WoW.

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[info]firakitty
2008-03-25 08:09 am UTC (link)
russta i miss you

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(no subject) - [info]russta, 2008-03-25 11:30 am UTC

[info]stavros_ff
2008-03-25 09:36 am UTC (link)

"- How much it fucking hurts my hand to play with the movement keys on the numerical keypad."

One of the many things I enjoyed FFXI was the ability to use a gamepad, like you were playing a console game. Something unique for an mmo.

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(no subject) - [info]russta, 2008-03-25 11:33 am UTC

[info]_dulcea
2008-03-25 06:16 pm UTC (link)
You know, when I restarted WoW alliance side, I was completely alone for the most part. I leveled 1-70 guildless, and my only socialization was with my RL friend Danny who was already 70 and raiding BT/MH, so even that was rare. I think that it was so peaceful, and ultimately one of the greatest times I have playing WoW.
It really was what reinstated my interest in the game.
I recently started leveling a lock, and I can barely go without getting whispers of guild drama, or people begging me to log onto my main and tank something. I miss the peacfulness of being anonymous.

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